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week's episode we won somewhere in the

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skies won two awards at the 2021

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paranormal podcast awards best ufo alien

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podcast and paranormal podcast of the

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year i was so honored to be nominated

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among so many other amazing podcasts in

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both categories and it certainly raised

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the bar for me personally and for the

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show congratulations to all the nominees

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and winners especially some of our good

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friends including the kryptonite podcast

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for best cryptid podcast let's get

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haunted for best ghost stories podcast

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lore for best horror podcast into the

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podcast and hysteria 51 for best

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paranormal comedy podcast be sure to

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check out all these amazing shows and

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all the other incredible nominees over

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my special thanks to paranormality

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magazine to everyone who voted and

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especially to you for all of your

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support along the way

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and now for another volume of ufo happy

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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sprague

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welcome to somewhere in the skies as

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always i am your host ryan sprague and

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welcome to another volume of ufo happy

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hour so you know what that means he is

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back the host of the our strange skies

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podcast i'm not even sure which volume

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this is anymore because they are all a

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blur they are all the most fun we have

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here on summer in the skies so i am so

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honored to once again bring him back to

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the show

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rob christopherson welcome back brother

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thanks man appreciate you having me back

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on having me back on the best ufo

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podcast it was it was announced

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yesterday people this is the best ufo

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podcast it won the podcast award you

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it's it's it's you got the bona fides

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well that's extremely kind of you man i

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mean i was amongst some heavy

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competition you should have been in

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there in my personal opinion and you

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should have won but uh that's you know

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it is

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if i had had a better year if i had uh

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had a better output maybe but uh i'm

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kind of one of those

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uh turning into

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the kind of person that's just like when

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i feel like this episode

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has what it needs and uh i i'm confident

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that it's the best that i can uh put

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forward in that episode i'll put it out

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unless it's just a discussion with

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people you know discussion with uh you

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know friends or if it's a two-hour

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presentation for a paranormal conference

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no and that's why i've always respected

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what you do you drop it when you want

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you put the research in um you're under

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you know no pressure to just get things

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out get things out for the sake of it

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and that's amazing so when you do come

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it's like the new uh you know phase four

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like oh my god it just drops so no man i

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all the shows that were nominated for

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those awards so thank you to

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paranormality magazine um our good

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friends that ufo podcast were right

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there next to us so um that's why i love

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this community man podcasting community

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is the most supportive i've ever come

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across way more than the ufo community

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for sure but yeah if you are watching on

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ufos in new york but um we're gonna

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individuals uh in a talk you gave

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mind before we we dive deep into ufos in

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africa tell us a little about the

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conference you just took part in if you

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paranormal community because nobody

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of different countries that uh were you

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google and you type in ufos africa what

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about the ariel school landing and don't

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the demographic of cases that you're

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was she was a white one so we can

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we could totally uh you know that's

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people of color black african ancestry

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spiritual ancestors or ghosts

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phenomenon in the united states aren't

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white person anyway so um that's

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something that is endlessly fascinating

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cases from around the world and you see

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that you know in the united states that

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thing is bright as hell

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that uh this is clearly a cultural thing

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and while that's not totally the case

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because we have ufos all over the place

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consideration that uh these are reported

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cases so you're gonna get less reports

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from other countries that don't have the

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through and through definitely and and

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puerto rico they almost seem to be uh

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indigenous inhabitants of the island and

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hostile like the that is one aspect of

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these cases is that uh they are

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military image of the phenomenon despite

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the fact that you have a very long and

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history you know case file of

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just crazy cases all over the place it

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has a very predominant image of being a

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military phenomenon right now so

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culture definitely plays a part in it

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um so in uh

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africa i was kind of able to break it

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down into four different types of cases

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and and a lot of these are going to be

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similar to

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what you see in in the united states and

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such but the the first one that i want

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to note is very important which is

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the idea of

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these globes or orbs of light these are

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very important and often

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these cases are reported by

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people of uh black african ancestry uh

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people of color

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they are often the ones that uh interact

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with these things and the most

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is to come from africa on this is known

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as the la rochelle incident and this

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really gets into

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the cultural aspects of this phenomenon

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so

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uh on the border of zimbabwe in the

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ibiza valley

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is this

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very beautiful estate called la rochelle

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it was built by stephen and virginia

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cortald who were these wealthy folks

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that treated the country right they uh

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it was known as rhodesia at the time but

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it would later go on to become

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uh zimbabwe i think

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might have even happened before they

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left but in

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they built this property that has

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like this beautiful watch tower there's

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like a tea room there is a building that

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is called the fantasy building and this

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is where virginia courtois would like

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house her orchids and like have friends

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over and stuff like that and it's like

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okay that's that's an interesting name

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for the building but sounds a little

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like uh michael jackson's house if you

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ask me

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yeah definitely uh out there and like uh

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architectural choices

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totally just out there just a

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combination of mishmash of different

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things i love it

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yeah it you can search this place online

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you can actually book events there if

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you want to yeah yeah yeah it looks

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really cool yeah it to be serious it

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reminds me a lot of like the great

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gatsby you know just this huge house

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every room is themed and yeah i'm sorry

343
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to interrupt man but yeah i did look

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into the house and it's crazy so no

345
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wonder something weird happened there so

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yeah please go on yeah so uh in in 72

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uh the quartals left uh zimbabwe and

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they kind of just gave the property to

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the country and then uh they just

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decided to

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it's been it's served a lot of different

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purposes over the years it's served as

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an educational center it's uh served as

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you know a place that you can book

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weddings you can book conferences and

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things like that but um

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it was

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uh overseen by the forestry service uh

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at at the time and in 1981 august of

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1981 when this

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event happened there was about 20 staff

362
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that worked there so

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uh august 15 1981

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they it was about 5 30

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at night and

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uh there was a woman named eunice kochty

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she taught uh i believe like basket

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making and things like that that you

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could learn out there

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and

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a lot of the folks live there so she

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looked out her window

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and she could see

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this globe of light

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at the top of a cassia tree

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and she saw these three figures uh right

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at the base of it just looking up at it

378
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and like she couldn't make out a lot of

379
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details but the one detail that that was

380
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interesting was that they were all

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wearing jeans but they were all just

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like standing next to each other

383
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and then the next moment this

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glo globe of light just like

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climbs down the tree starts rolling

386
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around the property which um

387
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the one thing that they described this

388
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globe of light as is

389
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a ball of fire but it didn't leave any

390
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scorch marks it didn't burn the grass or

391
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the ground uh but it rolled from the

392
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tree ran ran to the tea room and then it

393
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ran back to the tree and it kept going

394
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back and forth for a while until it just

395
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kind of kept going on the property just

396
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rolling around and uh

397
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you just didn't really know what to make

398
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of it but

399
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uh interestingly enough like about 15

400
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minutes later there was another witness

401
00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:02,880
named naysan simpandi

402
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and uh he he pokes his head out the door

403
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because he he starts to hear this ruckus

404
00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:08,480
i mean he doesn't know what's going on

405
00:16:11,509 --> 00:16:10,079
so he sees this globe of light

406
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immediately goes back in his house he's

407
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:12,880
like no that's a ghost i'm not dealing

408
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,880
with that

409
00:16:17,350 --> 00:16:16,320
peace is out

410
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nice

411
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uh but this uh this ball

412
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makes its way to this watchtower

413
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and then it starts to climb up the

414
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watchtower and uh it enters it through

415
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this window at the top and uh the

416
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witnesses that were all starting to

417
00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:34,399
mount at this time notice that like it

418
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looked like the room was on fire is what

419
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they would say

420
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and

421
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uh eventually this ball would start

422
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:42,880
rolling down now

423
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as it did there was uh the the main

424
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witness in this case is a gentleman

425
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named clifford machina who was the head

426
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gardener at the time there and

427
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:54,720
he sees this ball rolling out this tower

428
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:58,480
and uh he he decides to follow it uh

429
00:17:02,310 --> 00:17:00,079
he's gonna go hit the emergency bell

430
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:02,320
because he thinks it it's just a fire a

431
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:05,520
very strange fire but uh as he rounds

432
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:07,120
this corner as it's headed for the

433
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:08,720
fantasy building

434
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,839
he notices three figures

435
00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:13,439
they're just standing there with his

436
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:14,640
back to him

437
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:17,120
and he believes that it's his boss a guy

438
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:20,640
named andrew connolly so he yells out uh

439
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:22,559
calls calls these one of these figures

440
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:24,880
mr connolly they all three turn around

441
00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:27,439
that's when he notices like uh they're

442
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,520
wearing these like

443
00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:31,200
very shiny

444
00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:34,240
uh overalls but their heads were just

445
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:36,160
like emitting pure light

446
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:37,360
and

447
00:17:43,350 --> 00:17:41,120
he got terrified he fell to his knees he

448
00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:43,360
fell forward so he could just like block

449
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:45,919
the light from his face uh he didn't

450
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:48,320
know exactly what he was seeing

451
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,120
but uh he he just covered up for

452
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:53,039
a number of minutes until he brought his

453
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,640
head back up and he noticed that

454
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:56,320
everything was gone

455
00:18:00,950 --> 00:17:58,400
so

456
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,960
eventually andrew connolly learns of

457
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:02,880
this incident

458
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:03,760
and

459
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:05,440
gets in contact with cynthia hein

460
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:08,480
cynthia hein comes out uh not long after

461
00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:10,880
this the event took place

462
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:12,160
and she starts interviewing the

463
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:14,080
witnesses and she talks to clifford

464
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,360
pacino

465
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,280
and she

466
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:18,960
asked him well what do you think this

467
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,280
was and he's like i think it was the

468
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:24,240
ghost of my ancestors uh and he was a

469
00:18:27,029 --> 00:18:26,160
member of the mishona tribe which many

470
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:27,039
of the

471
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:32,080
that tribe and there was a spirit in

472
00:18:37,590 --> 00:18:34,480
particular that they called a it's

473
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called a rave and essentially a rave is

474
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uh like a

475
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a spirit

476
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that is not at rest because its

477
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ancestors have not put it to rest for

478
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one reason or another they have some

479
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purpose to fill

480
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but uh

481
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she asked him yeah

482
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i think it's a ghost

483
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and she just kind of pressed it was like

484
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:58,799
well that's not what your spirits uh

485
00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:01,039
your ancestral uh would look like you

486
00:19:03,990 --> 00:19:01,840
know

487
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:04,000
and uh

488
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:05,919
she he had that he had the best response

489
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:08,880
he uh responds back uh well you know

490
00:19:18,070 --> 00:19:14,710
times change

491
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:18,080
ancestral ghosts change we all grow

492
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:21,200
yeah exactly and and and the thing is

493
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:24,080
uh you know going through uh additional

494
00:19:29,990 --> 00:19:27,120
cases of cynthia heinz you find these

495
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:30,000
cases where these these witnesses

496
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:31,760
see these

497
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,240
craft like something that should clearly

498
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:36,080
be technology

499
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:39,200
they see people get out of this craft

500
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:40,720
and they still think it's a spirit

501
00:19:43,669 --> 00:19:42,880
that's that's endlessly fascinating that

502
00:19:47,350 --> 00:19:43,679
um

503
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,360
their beliefs their tribal beliefs are

504
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:49,120
um you know still

505
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:51,760
you know widely intact and it's viewed

506
00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:54,160
through that lens as opposed to a

507
00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,640
technological lens or uh an

508
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,039
interdimensional lens and and that's

509
00:20:03,510 --> 00:20:01,840
what makes these cases fascinating from

510
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:03,520
africa is that

511
00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:04,559
there are

512
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,280
multiple different cultures at one point

513
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:10,080
looking at this phenomenon and coming to

514
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,159
different conclusions so

515
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,159
that's important

516
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:16,400
in terms of

517
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:18,400
a lot of the time why you don't hear a

518
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,280
lot of cases coming from africa because

519
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:23,360
a lot of the inhabitants of africa do

520
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:27,120
not uh associate them with uh aliens or

521
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:28,640
advanced technology or anything like

522
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:31,120
that or i would assume rob like they

523
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:32,640
don't report it because it's kind of a

524
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,200
given that like your ancestors would

525
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,520
eventually visit you in some way shape

526
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,440
or form i mean that's a presumption on

527
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:41,520
my part but i would imagine that's why

528
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,400
you know and and who to report it to you

529
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,080
know again if you have a supernatural

530
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,400
experience that's part of your culture

531
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:51,360
or religion like you just embrace it and

532
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,159
move on you're not seeking out a a ufo

533
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,480
researcher because um

534
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,640
maybe by chance you

535
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,559
had heard that these things happened

536
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:02,400
elsewhere in the world i mean

537
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,520
and i know that's what we're going to

538
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,520
talk about as well is like the

539
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,600
conditioning that kind of pop culture

540
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,280
and and other

541
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:10,720
countries have

542
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,360
when other countries or cultures report

543
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:15,919
these things as well but um wow that's

544
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,240
fascinating sorry to interrupt no no

545
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,000
it's all good man uh

546
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,799
there's a a another case

547
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:24,480
kind of like this

548
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,679
with a guy named uh magunga and he was

549
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,400
actually just traveling home he was

550
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:32,000
taking this path

551
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:33,840
and he saw this

552
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,720
ball of light it just appeared right in

553
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,320
the middle of the path right in front of

554
00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:40,960
him he was terrified he thought it was

555
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,520
ghosts too he turns around

556
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:45,600
starts to run backwards it appears in

557
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:47,360
front of him again he keeps turning

558
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:48,480
around

559
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,720
until eventually this ball of light goes

560
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:52,880
out and he feels these like hands around

561
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,840
his neck

562
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:55,440
falls to his knees

563
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:57,840
and when the hands uh the sensation kind

564
00:22:02,149 --> 00:21:59,840
of finally falls away

565
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:02,159
he ends up running home

566
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:03,120
he

567
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:11,600
didn't have a lot of energy

568
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,480
they eventually he called in a medicine

569
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:15,919
man and

570
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,520
the medicine man gave him a uh a herbal

571
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,159
remedy that made him throw up this like

572
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,440
nasty green uh bile and

573
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:28,320
he was fine after that but again that's

574
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:31,520
speaks to that cultural uh context

575
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,640
within this phenomenon is that

576
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,440
what

577
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,200
one person's

578
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:40,159
unidentified flying weird-looking light

579
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:41,360
is

580
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:45,679
something else to uh someone else in in

581
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,159
into different cultures in this country

582
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,480
in this country or in this continent i'm

583
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,559
sorry i love that it's uh

584
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,039
jacques valet all the way man i mean

585
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:57,600
come on it's yeah one man's demon is

586
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,840
another's fairy is another's alien

587
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,840
that's what i love about this topic and

588
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:03,360
i know you and i have discussed that in

589
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,080
the

590
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,720
past this amorphous nature to it all

591
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,559
that you can put every lens on it you

592
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,960
know in america right now it's military

593
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,440
elsewhere it's ancestral ghosts yeah

594
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,840
somewhere else it's you know it's uh

595
00:23:20,549 --> 00:23:17,760
interdimensional beings i don't know but

596
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,559
um yeah those are fascinating um now

597
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,159
those are part of the first category

598
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:23,520
right yep

599
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:24,400
okay

600
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:28,880
and the second category uh is the ce one

601
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:32,559
there are ce1 cases uh very

602
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,760
much in line with the classic saucers

603
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:37,760
and things like that and one of the most

604
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:40,720
interesting cases from this tier uh

605
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,919
occurred to a guy named joe seeley who

606
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,440
was uh

607
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,360
he had some money and and on this

608
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:49,360
particular day this was in like late

609
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,799
november early december 1980 he was uh

610
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:54,880
bringing home a

611
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,200
live-in maidservant he had just hired

612
00:24:02,870 --> 00:23:59,760
her and um

613
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,880
he was just on the way back to uh his

614
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,799
property when uh

615
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,679
he was driving in cape town south africa

616
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,799
and

617
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:11,520
he sees this glint in the sky it's it's

618
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,880
it's very high up uh

619
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,960
and then he watches it just descend

620
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:18,960
rather quickly and

621
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:22,480
uh what he says he sees is

622
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,120
very out of the ordinary it it has a lot

623
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:27,600
of the characteristics of a ufo

624
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,919
but it looks very terrestrial so what he

625
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,400
said he saw was like a a

626
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:33,520
rocket

627
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:34,320
but

628
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,679
this rocket

629
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,000
they weren't hiding it it said

630
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:40,640
usa on it it had a flag on it there were

631
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,279
other identifying markers on this thing

632
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,919
and the thing was is like it came down

633
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,760
at an angle and then it just kind of

634
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,799
flattened out uh hovered above the road

635
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,880
the thing was it's like he said that

636
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,640
this thing was emitting

637
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:56,720
fire out of the back of it but he never

638
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:59,279
heard a thing like he got out of his car

639
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,960
looked at this thing yeah it was

640
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:03,840
completely silent like even as close as

641
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:04,720
it got

642
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,559
i think he said he was about like 300

643
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:10,799
meters or so away so

644
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:11,760
you know

645
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,159
fairly close up definitely easy to see

646
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,320
this was in broad daylight so

647
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,080
he sees this thing

648
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,320
and it kind of just like revolves around

649
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,720
a couple times and like

650
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:24,720
he describes this thing at one point as

651
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:27,760
being quote unquote dumpy which is like

652
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:30,320
the most hilarious thing that you can

653
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:34,480
say about a ufo this ufo was dumpy okay

654
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:35,360
great

655
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:36,799
like a truck

656
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,440
i love it dumpy that is one descriptor

657
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:41,200
i've never heard it any project blue

658
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,400
book file

659
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:44,559
to my knowledge or anything that's i

660
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,880
love it i love it i mean uh the only

661
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,720
other thing that comes close is clown

662
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,480
pants and like not everything can be

663
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,799
clown pants man i mean those are for the

664
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,960
worst of the worst you know

665
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,039
you're on a hollywood set you throw some

666
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,039
clown pants in the air and you try to

667
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,799
pass it off as a ufo at least that's

668
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:03,200
what that mufon investigator came to but

669
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:04,799
you know

670
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,240
dumping ufos hovering over the road uh

671
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,600
he watches this thing for a couple

672
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,600
minutes and then it just shoots off up

673
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:13,760
into the air but like

674
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:14,640
the

675
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,080
he said it also felt like he was kind of

676
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:22,960
in a vacuum it was very still very

677
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,000
silent and like that's one of those

678
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,880
features of the ufo phenomenon is that

679
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,400
you you often

680
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,240
find these accounts of people saying oh

681
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:33,760
there was no sound hey there should have

682
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:35,919
been qrikets here but hey they just shut

683
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:39,120
the hell up for whatever reason and

684
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:41,120
very similar instance you know two

685
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:44,159
witnesses uh the the woman that he did

686
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:45,840
had in the car was a

687
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,440
a black woman so um you got uh different

688
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:52,080
perspectives there which i i appreciate

689
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,880
and

690
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,320
um

691
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,720
i don't know what uh what she thought of

692
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,200
it because uh apparently he fired her

693
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,120
not long after for stealing or something

694
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,880
like that i don't know

695
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,400
yeah it's like

696
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,880
okay whatever joe joe this was all a

697
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,279
diversion for her to

698
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,440
steal that uh extra cash in his glove

699
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,760
compartment oh that's a bummer because

700
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:15,520
that's who i would want to hear from to

701
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,360
see yeah what her perception of the

702
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:19,440
event is like oh well yeah bummer

703
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,720
exactly like multiple witnesses

704
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,000
potentially from multiple different

705
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,640
backgrounds and and again that's what

706
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,640
makes these cases so endlessly

707
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,640
fascinating is the perspectives that

708
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,960
you're given but like yeah um

709
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,039
joe just uh just kind of a weird dude

710
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,480
weird uh no like he reading it he just

711
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:40,080
seemed like a kind of a just like a

712
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:46,389
uh well rob you mentioned did he he

713
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,880
specifically said he saw us

714
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:51,120
stamped on that thing am i correct

715
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:52,640
usa

716
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,200
american flag right on the thing he said

717
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,960
that he saw

718
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,640
other identifying marks but he couldn't

719
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:00,799
remember them and he was considering

720
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,960
going in for hypnosis at the time which

721
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,039
was something that cynthia hine was

722
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:06,640
recommending that he do

723
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,080
but um uh yeah let me let me uh for

724
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,679
those that are watching on youtube i'll

725
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,279
bring up an image

726
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,679
uh i've got it the handy dandy book

727
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,840
right here um

728
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,200
there you go

729
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,480
usa and there's like some uh

730
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,559
some other like numbers that they put at

731
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:26,000
the bottom of the thing there you go now

732
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,480
we're focused

733
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:30,000
he said that there was like a ton of

734
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,559
flame coming out of the uh bottom of

735
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:34,320
the back of this thing oh and then you

736
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:38,159
have the penis ufo here um we can't go

737
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,120
um

738
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:41,840
i'll just mention this briefly so uh

739
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,480
there's a section in this book about uh

740
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,799
different shapes of objects that are

741
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:49,520
seen and and one thing that uh seems to

742
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:51,440
come up as like cylindrical shaped

743
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,120
objects they they're mentioned like all

744
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:56,399
the time and uh there's this one case

745
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,240
from these five guys who are attending a

746
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:59,760
funeral for their friend and they

747
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,760
describe seeing the lozenge-shaped

748
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,320
object with like these balls of light at

749
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,000
the end and like

750
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,320
when you see representations of it in

751
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,200
ufo afrinus and in that book it looks

752
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,799
like a penis with some balls on the end

753
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:14,240
that's like the only way that you can

754
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,679
describe it

755
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,440
yeah there's no getting around it yeah

756
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,840
you know call us immature but come on i

757
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,360
mean when you see that picture in that

758
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,880
book like wait you gotta look at the

759
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,799
cover again and be like this is a ufo

760
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:26,960
book right yeah right

761
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,679
i didn't mistake this for something wow

762
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:32,000
man that's a crazy case like th i want

763
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:33,039
to be like

764
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,360
okay it was a rocket from the u.s but

765
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,039
like you said it was completely silent

766
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:40,559
and also what was a us rocket doing over

767
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,279
there i mean maybe it was landing or

768
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,080
coming from space but again how could it

769
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:47,919
be completely quiet that's what really

770
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,880
gets to me on that right and and how can

771
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,159
it just like

772
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,399
shoot out all that flame and still be so

773
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,039
maneuverable like and then zip away yeah

774
00:30:02,310 --> 00:29:59,600
yeah there's so much high strangeness to

775
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:02,320
that case that like the the nice thing

776
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,679
is is like there are those cases that

777
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:05,760
have that subtle high strangeness stuff

778
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:08,240
that just like kind of like okay that's

779
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,279
a little weird let's yeah but you know

780
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,960
that that's definitely one of those kind

781
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,640
of cases for sure

782
00:30:20,830 --> 00:30:17,279
um that has that kind of feature which i

783
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:23,590
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784
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,200
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820
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:05,760
and remember

821
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:14,230
now i correct me if i'm wrong and i

822
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,440
don't know if you planned on talking

823
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,600
about this one or not rob but um

824
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,080
this might be later in the the uh you

825
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,320
know the classification system but um

826
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,120
the one where it in the driveway

827
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:27,120
is that one you were planning on talking

828
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,519
if the the ros mead lights yeah um

829
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,240
yeah this is technically you could

830
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:37,120
consider it a ce2 case but it's also

831
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,880
kind of a ball of light type of case um

832
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:42,799
it's um

833
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:45,760
it takes place uh it occurs in this uh

834
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,440
kind of primary school

835
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,919
in uh rosmead

836
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,200
south africa

837
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,679
and uh

838
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,840
let me just bring that up yeah of course

839
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,840
man i put you on the spot i'm sorry oh

840
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,760
no you're good man you're good uh

841
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,960
bringing up

842
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,960
the cases because

843
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:04,399
i just got

844
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:08,080
i got it all written down so oh i'm sure

845
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:11,919
this is uh november 12th 1972.

846
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:15,279
rosmeed karoon south africa

847
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:18,960
and uh the this um

848
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,200
this gentleman by the name of harold

849
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,640
truder he was the uh headmaster of this

850
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,200
primary school of the

851
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,039
uh i can't remember what the name of it

852
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,039
is but uh

853
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,840
he had been coming home from a vacation

854
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,080
that he had taken for the weekend

855
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,200
and uh you know it had been a warm day

856
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:41,120
and that's when he noticed this like it

857
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:43,279
was around eight oh almost 8 30 at night

858
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,760
he wrote noticed as he was coming back

859
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:47,519
this um

860
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,320
red kind of ball of light in the sky and

861
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:52,399
it was shooting a beam down

862
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,440
uh

863
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,760
on this tennis court

864
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,919
he gets uh he pulls his car into the

865
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,679
garage he

866
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:01,200
goes over

867
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,720
and that's when he notices that there's

868
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,720
like some actual damage

869
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,039
to the asphalt

870
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:09,599
on on the tennis court

871
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,040
it looks like it's been depressed

872
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,760
as if like a great weight has been

873
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,119
sitting on it

874
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:20,000
he also finds these like aeration holes

875
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,200
like in strips on this thing

876
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,639
and the interesting thing here is that

877
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,240
there are additional eyewitnesses to

878
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,119
this case there are nearby soldiers at a

879
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:32,960
military camp one of them

880
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:35,280
his name was sj rossell

881
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,359
he was they had actually taken their

882
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:39,119
mattresses outside because it had been

883
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,639
just so hot so they were just trying to

884
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:42,639
get some air trying to sleep

885
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,599
and

886
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,240
the they had these mattresses facing the

887
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,679
test court and that's when he saw at

888
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,280
about 8 15

889
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,119
this light that just kept circling

890
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,800
around the tennis court for whatever

891
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:55,200
reason it was just incredibly interested

892
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:56,639
in the tennis court

893
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,720
and uh

894
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,440
later on uh because he assumed that

895
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,680
these were like um

896
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,400
uh i i think like headlights or

897
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,160
something like that but he's like or

898
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,440
tail lights but he's like yeah i didn't

899
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:11,280
see any headlights it was just like red

900
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:12,400
light so

901
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,280
uh

902
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,119
leia you know he observes it and later

903
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,200
on harold shooter ends up calling the

904
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,720
police department out there because he

905
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,720
assumes it's just some kind of vandalism

906
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,040
somebody came and vandalized a random

907
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,160
tennis court on a on the property of a

908
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,839
you know primary school like i

909
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,920
understand it's brand new i i want

910
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,680
somebody to face some accountability

911
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:33,440
here absolutely

912
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,440
yeah and what they found is that

913
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,440
whatever had happened

914
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,680
uh had launched

915
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:45,040
bits of the tarmac into the back of his

916
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,640
garage which is like

917
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,240
uh

918
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,200
like 200 meters or so away oh wow

919
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,880
something like that so whatever so it

920
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:54,240
has a force

921
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:55,119
yeah

922
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,160
and there was a nearby tree that some of

923
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:00,240
these pieces ended up going into there

924
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:03,119
was actually some burn marks on the tree

925
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:05,440
and there were like leaves that ended up

926
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:08,240
dying on this thing so it's one of those

927
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:09,280
weird

928
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,240
like

929
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,800
uh cases that uh cynthia hein had an

930
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,960
interesting take on it because like they

931
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:17,200
had called scientists out here and uh

932
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,880
some of them were saying well it just

933
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,520
melted in in the sun which

934
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,920
no like i've

935
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:26,079
i've seen hundred degree days i've been

936
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,920
in 100 degree days it doesn't happen up

937
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:29,280
here though

938
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,400
yeah it it doesn't melt like that so uh

939
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,079
you know they initially threw that out

940
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,480
but the thing that cynthia hines said

941
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,040
about this case was that she believed

942
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,599
that whatever this light was it got

943
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:43,680
itself stuck in the tarmac and it

944
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,160
essentially pulled itself out and then

945
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,320
oh interesting yeah and ended up

946
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,720
ejecting all these like small bits of

947
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:53,280
pieces and you know everywhere but like

948
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,720
yeah these these were like tiny pieces

949
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,119
of the tarmac on that uh tennis court

950
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:01,040
but they just like embedded themselves

951
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:02,960
in this tree in the back of this guy's

952
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,680
garage and yeah it's just

953
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,480
it's one of those weird kind of ce2

954
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:09,839
cases where

955
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:12,880
um there aren't a lot of uh explanations

956
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:15,119
but like you've got a

957
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:16,640
tennis court where it just looks like

958
00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:19,599
it's it's depressed into the ground and

959
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:21,760
not only that you have like perforated

960
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:24,960
holes nearby which was very strange but

961
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,000
yeah just just one of those odd kind of

962
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,280
uh cases that uh you know pop up

963
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:33,119
uh

964
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,200
that image stuck in my head when you

965
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,520
talked about it in your lecture so i had

966
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,680
to bring it up it was killing me but uh

967
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,000
tennis court that's i'm imagining like

968
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,640
in super bad you know when um

969
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,480
all the bottles of beer and stuff get

970
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:48,960
shattered and the uh the guy there is

971
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:51,280
like f my life because he's gotta clean

972
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:52,880
it up i'm expecting someone like who

973
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,359
just finished constructing that tennis

974
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,079
court and then like that day ufo comes

975
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,640
down and completely destroys it

976
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:02,640
and you just left there like

977
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:06,480
my life ufo of course right anyways

978
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:11,990
no the government will pay for that

979
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,880
right act of god okay maybe you know if

980
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:16,560
uh you know if they got government

981
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:19,119
funding into ufos maybe but i don't know

982
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,079
maybe

983
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:22,560
yeah i mean you know

984
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,240
mac brazil he might have got some hush

985
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:26,960
money we don't know fully but you know

986
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:29,520
uh people said he bought some like a new

987
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,920
truck or something good for him after

988
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:34,079
that yeah he needed it definitely he

989
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:36,880
deserved it i know i know anyways i'm

990
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,000
sorry i kind of i i shoehorn my way into

991
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,720
your um your categories here so whatever

992
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,680
you want to

993
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:45,839
talk about next i i can't wait man thank

994
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:48,720
you for doing this oh yeah uh

995
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:49,520
so

996
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:50,960
uh

997
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,720
this is kind of like the final category

998
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,640
is broken down kind of into three parts

999
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,920
here but uh

1000
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,680
the ce3's

1001
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,240
um there are a lot of similarities to

1002
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:03,760
ce3s in the united states so there are

1003
00:39:08,310 --> 00:39:06,960
contactees from south africa or from

1004
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:08,320
africa

1005
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:12,720
clare she

1006
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:15,839
um you know had uh intimate relationship

1007
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:19,119
with a man named akon and

1008
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,240
again i can't uh you know i

1009
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,839
i can't get the song smack that out of

1010
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:25,520
my head every time i hear that because

1011
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:28,240
it's econ i mean uh what are you gonna

1012
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:31,599
do but uh she uh you know claimed to

1013
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:32,640
have

1014
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:35,760
a uh an intimate relationship with this

1015
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:38,960
tall blonde haired blue-eyed kind of

1016
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:41,680
guy of course she ended up having a

1017
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,800
child and it ended up lit you know going

1018
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,000
to live

1019
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:48,560
on his home planet of matan

1020
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,680
and uh yeah she was kind of upset that

1021
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:53,359
she couldn't live on the planet because

1022
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:54,320
the

1023
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:55,599
oxygen

1024
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,599
level was not to her sufficient deeds so

1025
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,160
uh you know it is better than i do she

1026
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:05,440
became very well known uh within africa

1027
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,040
for her experiences she went on um

1028
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,400
a lot of radio programs uh which is uh a

1029
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,280
lot of a lot of the exposure that ufo's

1030
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,520
got was through radio programs uh

1031
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,920
cynthia hein made appearances

1032
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,560
and a lot of other ufo witnesses made

1033
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,640
appearances on local radio stations and

1034
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:27,040
stuff like that it wasn't often that the

1035
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:28,720
newspapers would carry this kind of

1036
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:29,760
stuff but

1037
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,240
radio totally totally there for it um

1038
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,200
one of my favorite cases is from 1951

1039
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,359
from a guy who who

1040
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,359
only gave his first name he didn't want

1041
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:43,920
uh himself to be identified uh because

1042
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:47,599
his name was henry and uh he lived uh

1043
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:50,720
near the drakenstein mountains

1044
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,119
and uh

1045
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,839
he uh he was living there he was he

1046
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,839
worked for the british rio static

1047
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,160
company at the time he was an engineer

1048
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:03,119
and uh this was around

1049
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,960
uh christmas time in 1951 and uh his

1050
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:09,200
wife's car and now his wife was spanish

1051
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,560
he was british

1052
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,319
and uh

1053
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,480
they had this kind of like beater car

1054
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,119
and it had been experiencing problems it

1055
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,680
was a battery issue so you spend four

1056
00:41:23,589 --> 00:41:21,359
hours kind of like tuning the thing up

1057
00:41:26,309 --> 00:41:23,599
replacing the battery all that stuff and

1058
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,319
uh at around 11 o'clock he's like i'm

1059
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:28,160
gonna go drive this thing just to charge

1060
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,680
up the battery for a little bit so he

1061
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,160
goes takes a shower gets in the vehicle

1062
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,720
and he decides to drive up drakenstein

1063
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,480
mountain and

1064
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,119
uh you know it takes him about

1065
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:41,119
from the time that he leaves to get to

1066
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:42,720
the time that he gets the top it takes

1067
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,839
like 15 minutes and he stops for a bit

1068
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,640
looks uh looks around uh there's kind of

1069
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:49,920
like a

1070
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,800
an area where a pull-off area where you

1071
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:54,000
can

1072
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,960
do that

1073
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:56,480
uh but

1074
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,319
he gets it back in his vehicle turns

1075
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,960
around and he's heading down

1076
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,400
the uh

1077
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,720
the road again uh and he gets flagged

1078
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,560
down by a strange man that kind of just

1079
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,599
comes out of nowhere he uh

1080
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:10,800
he he's

1081
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,359
very kind of human looking but like a

1082
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,359
little shorter

1083
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,280
face is uh

1084
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,880
the the features are mostly there he's

1085
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,960
kind of got hair that's sticking up but

1086
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,760
like

1087
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,240
um he just waves him down and uh he

1088
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,240
comes over to his window he's like uh do

1089
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:28,160
you have any water and he's like no only

1090
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:30,400
water i've gots in the radiator

1091
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:31,680
and the guy just

1092
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,560
and this

1093
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,960
dude just starts getting upset so he's

1094
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,280
like come on uh there's a stream just

1095
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:39,599
down the road i um we'll get you some

1096
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,560
water

1097
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:42,000
so

1098
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,440
this alien being gets inside this dude's

1099
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,359
vehicle and they drive down to the

1100
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,520
stream only thing that he has to collect

1101
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,920
it in is an old um

1102
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,920
it's like an old oil can so

1103
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,079
gets out this old oil can and they clean

1104
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,720
it out a little bit and they fill it up

1105
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,240
and uh

1106
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,800
he has some where he needs to bring him

1107
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,760
so

1108
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,400
he takes him to this area

1109
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:08,240
just kind of like in the shadow of the

1110
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,280
mountain

1111
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,040
it's completely dark and this was on a

1112
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,680
night when the moon was out full moon

1113
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,240
and uh he's like yeah just drive over

1114
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,160
this way and he's like okay it's a

1115
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,160
little rough right here but uh let's

1116
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,960
drive on over so drives on over and this

1117
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:25,280
headlights fall on this ufo that's

1118
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,400
sitting there uh it's suspended on legs

1119
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,480
sees kind of like a ladder from the

1120
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:32,000
bottom of it

1121
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,119
and uh this guy ushers him you know has

1122
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:37,359
him come on so

1123
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,160
he

1124
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,760
into it and

1125
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:43,520
there's really just like one circular

1126
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,400
room

1127
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,560
uh it's fairly large there's like a

1128
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,720
bench that runs around the entire length

1129
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,720
of it and he notices that there's like

1130
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,280
three other figures uh the two of them

1131
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:55,119
are attending to this one that's laying

1132
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:56,079
down

1133
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:56,960
and

1134
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,720
the one that escorted him in there

1135
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,880
basically told him that yeah he burned

1136
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:03,359
himself so

1137
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:04,160
uh

1138
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,119
burn cool

1139
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:10,480
cool damn

1140
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,319
damn uh ricky burned himself again

1141
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,240
always dealing with his bs when we're

1142
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,760
trying to do these uh

1143
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,839
earth excavations

1144
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,079
it's ricky's first day this is [\h__\h]

1145
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:23,680
but um

1146
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:27,760
he uh wow as a reward this alien being

1147
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,079
says hey just ask me whatever you want

1148
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:33,119
like he uh he does uh reddit ama like

1149
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,720
right there it's pretty cool

1150
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,960
and uh you know he's uh henry's an

1151
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,240
engineer so he starts asking him

1152
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:40,079
questions he's like where are you from

1153
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,760
he just points in the direction he's

1154
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,440
like from there

1155
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,040
yes again

1156
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,800
from there

1157
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,119
keeping it vague i understand i've

1158
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:51,760
listened that i am human i've seen what

1159
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,079
we can do i don't want i wouldn't want

1160
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,079
to tell anybody where i'm from if i'm an

1161
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,640
alien because holy [\h__\h] i see what you

1162
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:01,599
like is doing right now i see what what

1163
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,720
could happen

1164
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,200
it's like um

1165
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,000
yeah right it's it's like when you

1166
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,800
you someone asks for like your number

1167
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,480
but you did you know you don't want to

1168
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,400
talk to this person and you you make

1169
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,640
your phone number like one off so that

1170
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,480
they will never reach you i i feel like

1171
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:20,640
oh yeah right there yeah we're from

1172
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,560
right there oh thanks perfect yeah yeah

1173
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,960
well hey i give him credit for asking

1174
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,040
that like that's a good question to ask

1175
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,359
you know it reminds me again of like

1176
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,839
homer simpson you know homer asked me

1177
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:35,599
anything anything you want you get one

1178
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:36,480
question

1179
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,480
that's it that's it um

1180
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,560
three questions i think it was really i

1181
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,880
only get one question yes that question

1182
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:47,760
yeah

1183
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,119
i i butchered that man wow let me let me

1184
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,760
stop you you continue

1185
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,920
so uh

1186
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,599
henry ends up asking him it's like how

1187
00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,040
does your ship work i notice that

1188
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,560
there's no motor he's like oh there's no

1189
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,839
motor it's just

1190
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:06,480
uh we use magnetic force

1191
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,599
cool you do uh we we use uh i think he

1192
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,400
said heavy metals that uh he

1193
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,480
created a motion that uh create their

1194
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,960
own artificial gravity and bam just uh

1195
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,560
you know go anywhere

1196
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,800
and uh the interesting thing is is like

1197
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:22,960
there is a chapter dedicated to this

1198
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,160
book and if you enjoy ufos get yourself

1199
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:28,720
a copy of ufos over africa this is

1200
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,680
an amazing book it has every

1201
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,520
case that you could think of and the

1202
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,960
only one that you can think of right now

1203
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,400
is the aerial school landing let's be

1204
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:38,800
honest but you're gonna get so much so

1205
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:43,040
much more in this book uh but um

1206
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,640
the um

1207
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:47,280
there's a chapter dedicated in this book

1208
00:46:50,309 --> 00:46:48,240
to

1209
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,319
scientific theories about what this

1210
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,319
alien told him and how it could possibly

1211
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,640
work so if you want some science in your

1212
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:56,720
book get that goddamn book it's amazing

1213
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,319
uh it's still in print today um and the

1214
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:02,640
uh the print of the publisher horace

1215
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:06,079
house actually does a few um different

1216
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,440
books there's one from irene gronchi who

1217
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:12,160
was a famous brazilian ufo researcher

1218
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,640
she wrote a book decades ago it's still

1219
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:17,440
in print it's a fun book

1220
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,400
but

1221
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:20,240
definitely get your hands on this book

1222
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,440
but uh yeah henry he uh

1223
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:25,680
this case wasn't even uh originally

1224
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,079
reported that cynthia heinz hit behind i

1225
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,839
she i don't even know if she was born at

1226
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,640
this time but uh it was reported to jj

1227
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,520
benitez in spain uh and it ended up

1228
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,760
appearing in an issue of flying saucer

1229
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,480
review like in the 70s i remember coming

1230
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,319
across it um

1231
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:45,200
just uh going through the stuff but uh

1232
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,400
it was a really small compact ufo but

1233
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,079
you know kind of like the tardis bigger

1234
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,480
on the inside and uh

1235
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,319
kind of had like a control panel in the

1236
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,000
middle of the room didn't really know

1237
00:48:00,549 --> 00:47:58,160
what it was for didn't know did this

1238
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,559
alien didn't explain things very well

1239
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,440
let's just put a very vague alien yeah

1240
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,520
you know what man it reminds me so much

1241
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,800
of the uh

1242
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,880
the herb shermer case like kind of

1243
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,359
giving a tour of the inside of a craft

1244
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,040
but when you ask like what does this do

1245
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,640
they're like don't worry about that

1246
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:16,880
don't worry about it yeah yeah exactly

1247
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,520
there it's like oh okay well i should

1248
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,000
have changed my question then

1249
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:23,680
i mean those aliens fed him so much

1250
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,599
[\h__\h] i felt bad for her well you

1251
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,119
know my question is

1252
00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,280
you know what did they really need the

1253
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,280
water for i don't believe it was for a

1254
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,520
burn like we hear this all the time that

1255
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,160
like maybe water is a source they need

1256
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,800
why are so many ufos seen around water

1257
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,680
um

1258
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,119
yeah i mean the possibilities are

1259
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,119
endless but that's interesting that the

1260
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:45,119
one thing this alien would need was

1261
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,559
water um

1262
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:48,800
you gotta you do have to wonder you do

1263
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:51,359
yeah oh and there are cases from africa

1264
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,400
in which ufos uh appear

1265
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,599
uh there's a there's a case uh

1266
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,559
with this one ufo that appeared over

1267
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,480
this woman's pool pump and like every

1268
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,640
time i hear a pool pump i can't not

1269
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,680
think of ed walters crazy crap uh just

1270
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:09,359
because it's just like

1271
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:10,800
the pool pump

1272
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,400
entire set of of encounters that he

1273
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,319
claimed to have it was always that

1274
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:21,119
goddamn pool pump but uh this woman sees

1275
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,319
the like

1276
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:24,079
she thinks that her pool pump is kind of

1277
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,440
messing up because she hears this like

1278
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,000
giant hum and like

1279
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:30,559
she's just this is like 2 2 30 in the

1280
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:33,040
morning she's over it she goes and she

1281
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,720
she sees this like blue light right next

1282
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,640
to her pool pumps like oh god is it

1283
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,520
gonna catch on fire and uh eventually

1284
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:41,359
this light just like lifts off lifts

1285
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,599
away she sees it and the neighbors

1286
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,880
through the neighbor's window or

1287
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,640
something like that so

1288
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,160
the next morning her husband goes

1289
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,160
outside notices that there's like i

1290
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,520
don't know 300 less gallons in the pool

1291
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,280
whoa

1292
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:57,920
well okay we'll talk about siphoning

1293
00:50:01,270 --> 00:50:00,400
what the hell was that much water for

1294
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:01,280
yeah

1295
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:02,160
oh

1296
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,359
holy [\h__\h] man that just like i was not

1297
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,800
expecting you to say that much i was

1298
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,119
like oh maybe like maybe they took a

1299
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:10,960
foot off the pool like maybe they were

1300
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:13,520
like the kids they can't swim in four

1301
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,359
feet deep yet so let's put it down to

1302
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,160
three feet for the uh the human kids but

1303
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,839
it's pretty significant pretty

1304
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:21,760
significant uh there's an there's

1305
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:23,760
another story in which uh

1306
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:26,800
uh this couple they had a water tank

1307
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,319
that was like two inches from the top

1308
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:32,079
they looked at it like

1309
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,839
one night right before

1310
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,680
when inside went to bed came out the

1311
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,520
next morning the thing was bone dry

1312
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:39,280
there was no evidence of a leak or

1313
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,400
anything like that

1314
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,720
but there were reports of ufos in the

1315
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,559
area so

1316
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:46,319
it's the only explanation that fits here

1317
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:49,359
you decide yeah exactly exactly i want

1318
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:50,880
to believe i want to believe like

1319
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,440
everybody you know absolutely man i love

1320
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,079
it that now and i i hope that they know

1321
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,079
there was chlorine in that that could

1322
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,240
change everything that could

1323
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:02,079
that could be a whole different ballgame

1324
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,280
man

1325
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:05,839
that could ruin an alien

1326
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:08,319
uh powered system i'm assuming you know

1327
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,520
you get something it's like putting

1328
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,599
diesel in your like little you know

1329
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,839
moped or something oh yeah you're gonna

1330
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,760
ruin that thing

1331
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,839
so your skin's gonna get all wrinkly if

1332
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,079
you're in the chlorine too long

1333
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,319
yeah it's terrible the things we could

1334
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:24,480
teach these aliens and they could teach

1335
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,839
us

1336
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:28,480
anyways i digress what else you got for

1337
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,680
us man

1338
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,200
uh so

1339
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:32,960
i'll uh

1340
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,079
i'll hit you with a couple more here uh

1341
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,400
two more cool uh so

1342
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,240
one of the uh

1343
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,240
kind of other

1344
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:45,200
sort of well-known cases from

1345
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:46,160
uh

1346
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,839
mindalore incident and this goes back to

1347
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,079
january of 1979

1348
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,119
uh megan gazette she was up late

1349
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:59,520
readings around midnight and her son

1350
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,720
andre

1351
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,640
gets uh gets up

1352
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:04,960
says he can't sleep so they end up going

1353
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,319
to the kitchen to get some water and

1354
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,240
that's when they hear their dog whose

1355
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:11,119
name was cheeky uh just uh barking up a

1356
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,480
storm so

1357
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,240
she opens the door

1358
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,920
yells for cheeky to come in and that's

1359
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:17,520
when she noticed that cheeky just jumped

1360
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,079
the fence like you know some olympic

1361
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:22,640
kind of [\h__\h] here and uh

1362
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,400
she uh she she and andre just run out

1363
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,400
chased the dog up a couple streets up

1364
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,319
into this service road that was being

1365
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,240
built at the time and that's when they

1366
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,319
noticed like uh what they thought was a

1367
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,280
plane coming in for a landing uh

1368
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,040
she described it as being like a pink

1369
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:41,119
light and then

1370
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:42,640
getting closer that's when she noticed

1371
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,400
that this was kind of a uh a saucer

1372
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:47,920
shaped object

1373
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,880
that was surrounded in light it had legs

1374
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:53,280
down that it was standing on

1375
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:56,000
uh and she and andre just like stood

1376
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:57,680
there for

1377
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,880
you know a few minutes and

1378
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,720
uh that's when they noticed these six

1379
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:04,640
figures that got out of it and they

1380
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,680
started

1381
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,920
like moving around

1382
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,280
and uh

1383
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:11,040
kind of messing with the soil and the

1384
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:14,079
asphalt and and stuff uh most of these

1385
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,839
figures were like

1386
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,760
clothes from head to toe they were

1387
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:20,160
wearing kind of like a single

1388
00:53:25,109 --> 00:53:23,839
uh onesie kind of deal here but uh

1389
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,119
two of them

1390
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:27,440
uh they described them kind of like

1391
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:29,920
wearing like dr slab coats and pants

1392
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,359
they had dark uh olive skin

1393
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:36,319
they had like beards black beards black

1394
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,440
hair

1395
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,359
and

1396
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,520
when one of them

1397
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,680
started to play with the soil in their

1398
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:45,839
hands they noticed megan and andre just

1399
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,119
standing there staring at him and like

1400
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:51,839
these figures were conversing back and

1401
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,079
forth in languages like it seemed like

1402
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:56,720
two totally different languages so

1403
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,680
the the figure that with the black hair

1404
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,760
comes up to megan

1405
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:02,800
vows

1406
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,359
and starts talking to her in a language

1407
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,119
that she didn't understand at first she

1408
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:09,200
was okay and then she just got terrified

1409
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:12,319
so she tells andre to go and get their

1410
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,319
uh his father

1411
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:16,160
she's kind of anchored to the spot she's

1412
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:17,680
kind of paralyzed she says she can't

1413
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,559
move

1414
00:54:22,829 --> 00:54:20,960
and when uh

1415
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:22,839
they see that she is terrified the

1416
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:25,680
beings all of a sudden disappear like

1417
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:26,640
they just

1418
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,720
reappeared back in the ship

1419
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:30,960
now initially this thing doesn't take

1420
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:33,359
off the legs of this thing she describes

1421
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,359
the legs as getting bigger

1422
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,280
and it starts like walking around a

1423
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:39,520
little bit like you know for the world

1424
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,960
style yeah

1425
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:43,200
until it just flip

1426
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:46,319
into the air but i'm like uh no

1427
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,359
that's pretty creepy yeah no hg wells

1428
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:51,680
for me please that's uh not what i want

1429
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,200
in my ufo landings my ufo cannot handle

1430
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:57,359
that uh you know

1431
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,319
just

1432
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:00,640
i don't have the mental capacity to make

1433
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,280
it through a day most days so i don't

1434
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,559
see that being a good a good thing to

1435
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:09,280
happen to me is like hey you know what

1436
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:12,079
why don't you see my ufo do some crazy

1437
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,040
stuff on its legs cool yeah yeah yeah

1438
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,680
bust a move ufo bust a move i love that

1439
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,559
man that's so cool though um especially

1440
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,480
since they bowed like how polite yeah

1441
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:23,920
how polite of them

1442
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,640
no yeah just uh you know incredibly

1443
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,160
polite and

1444
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:30,240
just doing what they're doing it kind of

1445
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,079
has like the uh

1446
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,119
george obarsky stonehedge vibes of you

1447
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:37,520
know collecting soil looking at stuff

1448
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,680
and then just like getting back in your

1449
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,280
ship and taking off

1450
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,400
isn't that i i love these older cases

1451
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,400
where like they actually seem to have a

1452
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:48,880
purpose you know these beings or

1453
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,280
intelligences like collecting soil

1454
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,280
collecting water um

1455
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:55,680
unfortunately sometimes experimenting on

1456
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:59,119
human beings or animals even if you you

1457
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,119
know buy into the whole cattle

1458
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:03,440
mutilation thing um oh yeah that's

1459
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:05,599
interesting so is that kind of how that

1460
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,920
case ended it kind of walked around and

1461
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,960
then

1462
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,880
maybe you needed to get a running start

1463
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:12,960
that's kind of you know picturing

1464
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:16,000
i you know so sometimes that happens

1465
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,480
the craft and the lonnie zamora incident

1466
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,160
needed that little boost to get into the

1467
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,400
air and then you know it was good it was

1468
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,400
good you know sometimes you need that

1469
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,960
boost to get up and uh

1470
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:29,520
there's no shame in that look i get it

1471
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:30,480
sometimes

1472
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,760
uh people got lifted trucks you need uh

1473
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,680
maybe maybe sometimes you need a stool i

1474
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:37,680
don't know uh sometimes it's just tough

1475
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:40,880
to get up into those things but i i i

1476
00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:43,760
know that feeling oh yeah yep been there

1477
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,960
i mean if you grew up uh

1478
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,200
you know in the adirondacks or like

1479
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,359
anywhere beyond new york city lifted

1480
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,799
trucks man they were just uh they're

1481
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:54,720
just a way of life around here

1482
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:57,200
still are yeah i was gonna say some

1483
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,440
things never changed man even in um

1484
00:57:03,730 --> 00:57:02,079
syracuse some things never changed

1485
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,740
exactly man exactly

1486
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:06,160
[Laughter]

1487
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:08,160
love it awesome and you have one more

1488
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:11,599
for us you said i do i do um

1489
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:14,240
so uh wouldn't be complete if we didn't

1490
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,520
have a

1491
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,240
ce4 an alien abduction kind of case

1492
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,240
let's go there and and what's

1493
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:22,079
interesting here is like uh the

1494
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,480
abduction cases

1495
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,160
you have your traditional abduction

1496
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:28,559
cases uh

1497
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:31,920
there they come up uh here and there but

1498
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,480
the cases that uh cynthia hine talked

1499
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:36,960
about were cases in which

1500
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,960
uh it seemed like they were trying to

1501
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,920
take the soul out of the body almost

1502
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:46,319
and just this feeling of

1503
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:47,520
being

1504
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:53,440
in one case in particular

1505
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:56,480
is uh it involves a man

1506
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,559
named bruce

1507
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:00,720
he is uh

1508
00:58:06,549 --> 00:58:03,119
of black african ancestry

1509
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:06,559
and uh he was from zimbabwe

1510
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,160
and uh in november of 1989 this is when

1511
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:11,839
you know abductions

1512
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,079
are huge in the united states and and

1513
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:15,920
because they are huge in the united

1514
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:19,599
states uh they start to receive exposure

1515
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:22,720
in other parts of the world and

1516
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:25,680
uh in africa itself there are

1517
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:27,680
cases that start to come forward from

1518
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,319
people in the late 80s of abductions so

1519
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,880
that's just the landmark uh

1520
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,040
you know the the impact that like books

1521
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:40,079
like communion and uh intruders were

1522
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,799
having at this time uh those two books

1523
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,040
are kind of monumental to

1524
00:58:49,829 --> 00:58:46,720
the um

1525
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,839
the public face of ufos and aliens uh

1526
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,079
and and in particular also

1527
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,799
is uh the um

1528
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,599
when

1529
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,640
uh the uh roswell incident appeared on

1530
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,200
unsolved mysteries those two things

1531
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:03,359
right there those books and that sped

1532
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,599
and that's special because like

1533
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,680
that unsolved mystery special was like

1534
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:10,079
half the show it was huge

1535
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,119
it

1536
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:14,079
like kind of catapulted

1537
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:17,680
ufos into a like a mainstream that it

1538
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:21,280
had never seen before like this was uh

1539
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,520
it had a whole new image as opposed to

1540
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,599
before where you know it wasn't getting

1541
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,680
the serious treatment and it was seen as

1542
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,599
like oh the government's carrying it up

1543
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:31,920
and and yeah like pure cover-up and

1544
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:34,880
stuff like that this now was

1545
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,240
a wider-facing phenomenon not only that

1546
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,400
you had other individuals now feeling

1547
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,720
comfortable enough to tell their stories

1548
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:44,839
which is important

1549
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:48,480
so yeah so bruce uh

1550
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:52,000
his first experience november of 1989 uh

1551
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:56,079
he worked in some fields in um zimbabwe

1552
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:58,240
and he came home he showered he lived

1553
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,520
with his mother and uh

1554
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,079
as he was going to sleep because uh he

1555
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,160
didn't eat he just took a shower and

1556
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:07,760
decided to go to bed

1557
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:09,040
and

1558
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:13,040
like all of a sudden as he's like trying

1559
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,440
to fall asleep they felt dense

1560
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,680
and he had this feeling like someone was

1561
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,280
in the room with him

1562
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:21,599
he heard this loud whirring sound like a

1563
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,720
motor

1564
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:24,160
and

1565
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,960
his first thought was this is a ghost

1566
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,359
this is you know this is absolutely

1567
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:31,280
terrifying so

1568
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,160
um

1569
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,480
it eventually passes

1570
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,400
but it makes him

1571
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,880
remember that these incidents had

1572
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:40,240
happened to him

1573
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,359
in his childhood and

1574
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,960
they just kept coming

1575
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:46,640
up over and over again this feeling of

1576
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:49,760
paralysis this feeling of like uh you

1577
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,720
know

1578
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:52,799
weight and weightlessness

1579
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,760
and and such but um the follow-up

1580
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,000
experience that bruce had was just

1581
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:00,799
utterly terrifying um

1582
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,440
and it had

1583
01:01:08,230 --> 01:01:05,359
it seemed to be related to

1584
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,240
health problems that he was having

1585
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,280
this was in july of 1990 and uh bruce he

1586
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,440
kind of wakes up he's feeling he's

1587
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,160
feeling ill that day his skin was

1588
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,559
actually burning uh he said his throat

1589
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,960
was sore and that his eyes were actually

1590
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:22,240
swollen

1591
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:24,799
he couldn't keep any food down at the

1592
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:27,680
time um

1593
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,640
so

1594
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:30,880
one thing that he noted was that a lot

1595
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:33,440
of the times when he had experiences uh

1596
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,160
sore throat was a common uh feature of

1597
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,079
them he would often suffer from them

1598
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:41,040
afterwards but um he started to recall

1599
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,000
that

1600
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:44,240
there was one experience and

1601
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,839
this experience that happened a day or

1602
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:47,040
two before

1603
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:48,240
um

1604
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:49,280
he

1605
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:57,200
unable to move

1606
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:58,880
and that's when he noticed that there

1607
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,280
was a figure sitting in a garden chair

1608
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:03,200
over by his door

1609
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,559
and

1610
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:07,280
this strange being when he noticed that

1611
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,960
bruce noticed him

1612
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:10,079
got up

1613
01:02:16,069 --> 01:02:13,359
he said that he floated on over to him

1614
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:16,079
and he described him uh like

1615
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:19,280
description similar to a gray in in many

1616
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,039
ways but

1617
01:02:25,510 --> 01:02:23,119
he moved towards him

1618
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:25,520
started to pull back on his hair and

1619
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:26,319
said

1620
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,720
if you tell anyone about this i'll kill

1621
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,960
you i'll finish you off

1622
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:32,319
and

1623
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,359
uh bruce tried to fight back

1624
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:37,359
pushed him right back down on that bed

1625
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:40,240
and this was just he said that the face

1626
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:43,920
was just very white so like very uh gray

1627
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,039
and description just like very white uh

1628
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,520
non-human figures and and that

1629
01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:52,160
terrifying description of it colliding

1630
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:53,039
just

1631
01:02:57,029 --> 01:02:55,440
yeah no thank you uh but

1632
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,039
um

1633
01:03:03,190 --> 01:02:59,359
there was physical evidence in in this

1634
01:03:06,150 --> 01:03:03,200
case but uh for instance he noticed that

1635
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:06,160
uh the next day as he got up that uh

1636
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,520
because he he had

1637
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:09,520
i believe he had a dirt floor

1638
01:03:14,829 --> 01:03:12,160
and uh he noticed that in the floor

1639
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:14,839
there were these very small looking

1640
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,720
footprints that led from

1641
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,480
his wardrobe

1642
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:22,400
to the front door

1643
01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:25,520
and they just disappeared

1644
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:28,319
i no thank you no thank you

1645
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:31,599
uh yeah the the like

1646
01:03:37,190 --> 01:03:34,240
very like there are other similar cases

1647
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:37,200
in which um there was one woman named

1648
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:38,960
caroline who had this like really

1649
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,680
dramatic encounter uh in her bedroom

1650
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,160
where she saw this uh kind of globe of

1651
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:46,240
light come into her bedroom but the

1652
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,160
weird thing is is like through the roof

1653
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:49,920
she could see this like tunnel of light

1654
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:52,160
that connected to a ufo outside she

1655
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,280
could actually see the trees from inside

1656
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:57,039
her room and she described this

1657
01:04:02,309 --> 01:03:59,920
weightless feeling and stuff and uh yeah

1658
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:02,319
eventually she was able to get up she

1659
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:04,960
wakes up her mother wakes up her sisters

1660
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:07,359
they're all sitting in the living room

1661
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:08,720
and all of a sudden she starts to feel

1662
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:11,119
this again and her sisters when they

1663
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,480
were talking to her

1664
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:14,880
uh describe how

1665
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,720
when they were looking at her our eyes

1666
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:18,240
were like

1667
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:21,520
brilliant orbs of light like um

1668
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:24,640
some like uh you know ghostbusters too

1669
01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:27,839
uh yano in the hallway yeah

1670
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:29,920
i i'm getting those vibes and i do not

1671
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:31,359
like it

1672
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:34,640
i mean if you're gb2 vibes yeah total

1673
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:37,920
gb2 vibes uh you know he's got that

1674
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,640
painting of vigo around and you know

1675
01:04:45,589 --> 01:04:43,200
he's just doing his best to restore it

1676
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:45,599
it's it's that kind of vibes but

1677
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,640
the the ce4 cases are incredibly

1678
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,640
interesting because there is a range of

1679
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:51,760
them

1680
01:04:56,789 --> 01:04:54,480
just in like the the the very from the

1681
01:05:00,870 --> 01:04:56,799
very strange to the very typical there

1682
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:00,880
were uh two women phyllis and diane um

1683
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:03,520
i i will recommend you go watch my

1684
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:06,839
presentation or listen to it because

1685
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:09,760
like these two women

1686
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:11,839
one of them was just not having it the

1687
01:05:15,829 --> 01:05:13,760
entire time she was on this craft every

1688
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,839
single time she was resisting she was

1689
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:17,520
like no i don't want to go and they're

1690
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:18,559
just like

1691
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:19,760
it's okay

1692
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,000
everything will be fine and like they're

1693
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:24,240
telling her to to get onto this table

1694
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:25,920
and she's like no i'm not getting on

1695
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:27,760
this table until she's just like all

1696
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:29,119
right you know what whatever you're

1697
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:30,799
persistent i'll get on the table and she

1698
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:32,799
just goes

1699
01:05:37,589 --> 01:05:35,440
oh my god man i'm imagining like

1700
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,599
phyllis and diane like

1701
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:39,680
what was that old show where the women

1702
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:42,240
worked in like the bottle factory you

1703
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:43,200
know

1704
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:47,440
doing it our way or whatever that was

1705
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:49,839
yeah i i'm getting i'm getting those

1706
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,359
vibes i'm definitely it's escaping my

1707
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:53,839
mind but i've seen like fellas no no

1708
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,559
we're not going diane i want to do this

1709
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:58,079
let me do this

1710
01:06:02,230 --> 01:05:59,599
you're either my friend or you're not

1711
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,240
we're going to do this together or no or

1712
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:04,559
not that's and and it's funny because

1713
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:07,039
like diane like when this is going down

1714
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:09,359
initially they're seeing this object

1715
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:11,839
she's kind of reticent but like phyllis

1716
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:14,000
who's her mother is like come on diane

1717
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:15,119
if you don't look at this thing you're

1718
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:18,720
gonna be missing out

1719
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,240
live a little

1720
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:22,240
that's amazing man well hey you know

1721
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:23,599
what that actually

1722
01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,559
to be

1723
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:27,039
serious that reminds me of like the

1724
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:29,599
juxtaposition with betty and barney hill

1725
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,640
like betty was so like let's do this

1726
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:35,119
like show me the star map what do you

1727
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:37,839
want can i take something to bring back

1728
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,000
and then meanwhile like barney is just

1729
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:42,640
like f no get me the f out of here i

1730
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,359
want nothing to do with this um it's

1731
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,440
interesting when you have two people

1732
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:49,839
having an experience and how like

1733
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:52,720
one really wants to do it and it seems

1734
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,920
like always the other one doesn't um

1735
01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:57,520
i don't know if that's true in all cases

1736
01:07:02,950 --> 01:06:59,599
obviously you look at like the allagash

1737
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,960
case or or something like that but that

1738
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:04,480
is interesting when you have a pair of

1739
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:07,520
people having a singular experience it

1740
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,359
always seems that one really wants to

1741
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,520
embrace it and one wants to

1742
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:13,839
reject it i i came across a case like

1743
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:15,599
that with a mother and daughter as well

1744
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,799
where the mother thought it was like the

1745
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,240
most euphoric

1746
01:07:22,630 --> 01:07:20,079
amazing experience and the daughter was

1747
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:22,640
like nope hate it hate it wouldn't want

1748
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:26,240
to date it so no no oh and i mean like

1749
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:28,160
uh if if you want to know about that

1750
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,839
case folks you need to go get ryan's

1751
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:31,440
book because it's in there because i've

1752
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,559
read it before and uh there's james

1753
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:36,880
yeah there's a terrifying moment in that

1754
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:38,960
book involving when the mother comes

1755
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:40,400
into the room

1756
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:41,920
when her daughter's about to go to bed

1757
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,839
and there's something that follows her

1758
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:45,920
in and i don't like it i don't like it

1759
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:47,760
but you know what it's a hell of it's a

1760
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,760
hell of a read so go get somewhere in

1761
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:51,680
this guys uh it's it's a good book you

1762
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:55,359
know what i'm in it so go get it you are

1763
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,839
you are which i'm so honored yes the if

1764
01:08:02,069 --> 01:07:59,760
that is not a selling point i honestly

1765
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:02,079
don't know what it is to be completely

1766
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:04,720
honest i mean shamelessly self-plugging

1767
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,000
i'm on the best ufo podcast of all time

1768
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:11,039
uh it's been announced folks okay it is

1769
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:13,760
final the talent the votes were tallied

1770
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:17,199
okay and it was it was awarded last

1771
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,480
night uh on the best ufo podcast in a

1772
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:23,120
hell of a ufo book uh just consume

1773
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,440
consume i uh you know i we're all

1774
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:27,120
listening brother

1775
01:08:33,030 --> 01:08:29,600
yeah i'm here for shameless plugs uh you

1776
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,040
can pay me later uh paypal me whatever

1777
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,199
yeah virtual check is in the mail no hey

1778
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:37,040
that's a lot of pressure but no we're

1779
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,960
not here to talk about that um we're

1780
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:41,279
here to talk about ufos in africa man

1781
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,319
and you

1782
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:44,480
of course i knew you would bring it like

1783
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:47,199
i had to do very little lifting in this

1784
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,480
episode so um i have to thank you for

1785
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,199
that but i guess it kind of um unless

1786
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:55,600
you have anything else any other cases

1787
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:58,239
you want to share i'd love to kind of

1788
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,319
not conclude because we never conclude

1789
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,400
these things nothing's ever solved

1790
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:05,040
nothing's ever answered more questions

1791
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,839
than answers um but

1792
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,520
what do you um

1793
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:11,839
what do you think we need to do here in

1794
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,480
the united states to really uh

1795
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,159
uh invite

1796
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:18,799
more of a world a global view

1797
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:22,000
of these cases because again we get so

1798
01:09:27,349 --> 01:09:23,920
caught up in like

1799
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:27,359
you know roswell and the tic tac and

1800
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,520
like all these things happening here

1801
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:31,440
in america um

1802
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,279
when there's a whole world out there i

1803
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,120
mean i'm doing right now i'm looking

1804
01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:38,000
into bolivia i'm looking into um

1805
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:40,640
russia and it's just blowing my mind how

1806
01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:43,040
much data is out there globally that

1807
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,759
we're not taking into consideration when

1808
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:48,239
we're researching when we're even

1809
01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:50,080
investigating um

1810
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:52,159
so big loaded question for you what do

1811
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:53,120
we do

1812
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,120
to like really welcome the rest of the

1813
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,199
world to like share these things report

1814
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:58,640
these things or

1815
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:01,520
or can we even do that i don't know

1816
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,880
um i think there are uh a bunch of

1817
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:06,800
things that we could do one these cases

1818
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,679
deserve a seat at the table with every

1819
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:11,920
well-known case that is out there you

1820
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,719
know for all your betty and barney hills

1821
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:16,400
for all your

1822
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:19,600
you know belgian ufo waves and and for

1823
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,360
all your antonio vs boas all these cases

1824
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,840
deserve a seat at the table um for one

1825
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,360
thing we need people need to talk about

1826
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:30,880
them more like seriously uh i i i don't

1827
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:33,520
uh whenever anybody is like uh i wanted

1828
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:35,280
to cover a case but i saw that you

1829
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:36,800
covered it and i didn't want to do it

1830
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,280
cover it like these cases deserve to be

1831
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:41,679
covered get yourself a copy of this book

1832
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,640
i like i will you know chill for cynthia

1833
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:47,600
hind all freaking day she's no longer

1834
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:50,960
this so honor her work go get ufos over

1835
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,840
africa go read the cases in this book

1836
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:55,600
because they're endlessly fascinating

1837
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:57,520
for one two you're gonna find the

1838
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,199
similarities the differences which is

1839
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:01,520
important to note um

1840
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,800
i i also think allowing people to tell

1841
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:06,320
their stories is one of the most

1842
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,719
important things that anybody can do

1843
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:10,159
regardless

1844
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,239
especially now with the way that we can

1845
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,640
we could bridge technology and and just

1846
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:16,560
do this we can do this podcast ryan

1847
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,719
we're we're hundreds of miles apart but

1848
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:20,239
we can do it like

1849
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:23,199
opening those opening those doors to

1850
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:24,800
people in other countries that want to

1851
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:26,480
tell their stories is incredibly

1852
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:30,080
important and it gives this phenomenon a

1853
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:31,199
more

1854
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:35,199
view it gives it a

1855
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:38,719
a better view because you have a more

1856
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:41,360
complete picture when you can see all of

1857
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:43,840
these cases from all over the world and

1858
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,560
see

1859
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:47,120
how they are the same how they're

1860
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,400
different how they affect people and and

1861
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:53,120
giving these cases a seat at the table

1862
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:56,239
is incredibly important and that was one

1863
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,679
of the things that i wanted to do with

1864
01:12:02,709 --> 01:12:00,000
my presentation is give these

1865
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,719
cases a voice that they definitely

1866
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:04,320
needed because

1867
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:07,280
again there are probably investigators

1868
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:09,040
in africa but it's just they are not

1869
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:11,679
easy to find again if you

1870
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,280
if you try and google ufos and africa

1871
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,199
and like yeah there are probably better

1872
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,440
search terms that you can use there

1873
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,280
aren't a lot of people yet you could

1874
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,679
probably report to but like

1875
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,840
encourage those people to report where

1876
01:12:30,310 --> 01:12:28,159
they can report to if it's to move on

1877
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,320
report to move on if it's the new fork

1878
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,120
report to new fork if it is a podcaster

1879
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,040
that you feel comfortable sharing your

1880
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:37,600
story with report it to them send them

1881
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,000
an email get in touch with them and and

1882
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:42,719
say hey i've got a story can uh can i

1883
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,000
tell you my story absolutely um and

1884
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,800
that's definitely important and um you

1885
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:50,480
know if you can feature these stories on

1886
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,600
podcasts

1887
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:53,440
great they deserve

1888
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:54,960
to be known they deserve to be

1889
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,480
recognized and um you know just they

1890
01:13:01,750 --> 01:13:00,560
deserve to be embraced by the ufo

1891
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:01,760
community

1892
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,159
even if they you know know about them or

1893
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,320
probably don't because

1894
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,840
again

1895
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:09,120
uh

1896
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:11,679
this was an issue that i started to

1897
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,520
think about in 2018 and like why aren't

1898
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:15,360
there a lot of ufo cases that come from

1899
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:18,800
africa why is it that the only ufo case

1900
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,679
that we talk about from africa is uh the

1901
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:23,600
ariel school landing again a very

1902
01:13:28,630 --> 01:13:26,320
incredibly important incident but

1903
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:28,640
not the only one so

1904
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,760
um

1905
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:31,440
you know that's kind of what fueled this

1906
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,800
but like

1907
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,280
when i listened to the saucer life

1908
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:37,199
episode about elizabeth clare i was like

1909
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:38,880
holy crap there are other cases from

1910
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:39,920
africa

1911
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,000
yeah all right that's important so

1912
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:46,080
to anyone listening to anyone that has a

1913
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:48,080
platform just

1914
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:51,360
give these cases give these witnesses

1915
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,159
a platform to share their stories and

1916
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:55,760
you know the more

1917
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,080
well-known that these stories become

1918
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,400
these cases uh you know the better and

1919
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,640
the view and more inclusive view that we

1920
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,719
have of this phenomenon

1921
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,880
absolutely man you i couldn't have said

1922
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,800
it better i mean if you have that

1923
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:10,640
platform amplify

1924
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:12,960
those voices especially you know voices

1925
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:14,560
of color who we don't

1926
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:16,960
honestly hear a lot from in this

1927
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,120
community and you know that's a whole

1928
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,440
other issue and episode we could have

1929
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,600
yeah um as two white guys talking here

1930
01:14:27,910 --> 01:14:25,679
on a podcast exactly

1931
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:27,920
but exactly it's true you know like

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they're out there and it's um it's a

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matter of

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welcoming

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more different types of communities in

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here to uh have this human conversation

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and um

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and i feel like that's probably why a

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lot of people don't come forward or

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report things they don't feel

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like they can or that they have a place

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but like you said everyone's got a seat

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at the table nobody knows when that

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turkey is going to be done and when we

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can all eat because we have no idea what

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the hell is going on but like exactly

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why not get every viewpoint every

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culture every

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everything i i just

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that's why

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i got involved with this topic i don't

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know about you but it was to find a

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community and the more i got into it the

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more i realized yeah there's going to be

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those darker corners of these

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communities always that

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don't want voices amplified and don't

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want this or that but overall man like

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it's just so

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what better community

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more open-minded than people who believe

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in aliens visiting our planet so

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that's all i'll say that's my um kind of

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soapbox moment like invite people

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into the conversation that you normally

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wouldn't and uh let's all just

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try to find answers together

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yeah not just you know people of color

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they're they're definitely important

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they they their voices need to be

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01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:50,159
employed uh lgbtqia plus people they

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deserve to have their voices amplified

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women deserve to have their voices

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amplified like uh

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bring these people deserve

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to have their stories uh told to have a

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place for them and uh to

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uh contribute

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to this phenomenon because it it's it's

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a global phenomenon there's no way to

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get around it it's a global phenomenons

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they are all part of this world and the

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more inclusive that you make it the

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better a grip you have on this subject

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overall but a better community that

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you're going to

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you know ultimately

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um

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create

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absolutely man when that

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ufo finally lands

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and we're ready to finally make grand

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contact they're not gonna give a crap

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what country you're from what religion

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01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,520
you believe in what color you are what

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01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:45,840
orientation it's all it's gonna be all

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of us working together so it's beautiful

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i love it and i love that you

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01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,080
highlighted these cases for us man um

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and i also love that you shared your

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01:17:00,630 --> 01:16:57,920
personal experiences over on our strange

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01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,640
skies recently um with the gentleman of

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01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:03,120
astonishing legends and everything so i

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01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:04,800
gotta ask can you tease us a little

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01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:07,600
about that episode and um what you got

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01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:09,360
coming next over there at our strange

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01:17:13,510 --> 01:17:10,320
skies

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yeah absolutely so um i sat down with

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01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:15,440
scott philbrook and forrest burgess from

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01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:18,880
astonishing legends and um rich adam who

2011
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:20,640
is the screenwriter of the mothman

2012
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:23,120
prophecies tv writer good friend of mine

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01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:26,400
and i basically said hey i i've never

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01:17:32,709 --> 01:17:29,600
given people the chance to just like

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01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:32,719
grill me about my experiences so here's

2016
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:35,840
two hours have at it and uh you know we

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01:17:39,910 --> 01:17:37,760
talked about some of my experiences that

2018
01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:39,920
i've talked about on other pods and some

2019
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:41,920
experiences that i've never talked about

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01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:44,400
before and we kind of just started to

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01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:46,080
like hash it out and it's a great

2022
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:48,239
conversation um

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01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:51,199
i the presentation i gave for pan

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01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:54,800
paranormal con is uh online you can

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01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:56,719
listen to the audio on the our strange

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01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,640
guys feed right now if you want to watch

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01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,640
the video if you want to watch me be

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01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,360
hectic for two hours on a video you can

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01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,760
subscribe to my patreon oh yeah they

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01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:07,600
subscribe to the patreon you'll get to

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01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:09,840
watch that but uh uh coming down the

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01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:11,760
line i

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research on an episode about

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01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:17,760
the aerial school landing and other uh

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01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:19,600
landings at other schools because there

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there are lots of them like preston

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01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:22,800
dennett like

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01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:25,120
uh documented a bunch of them in a book

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01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:26,719
and like that book is endlessly

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01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:28,880
fascinating he's a he's an interesting

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01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:30,800
figure been doing this a long time in

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01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:32,800
this field but um

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01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:34,719
we'll be talking about ariel the aerial

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01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:37,679
school landing um i'm in

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01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,640
the beginning stages of research on a

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01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,880
couple specific abduction cases so

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01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,480
that's pretty much what you got coming

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01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:46,880
on down the line uh if you subscribe to

2049
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,320
the patreon

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01:18:51,910 --> 01:18:50,480
later this

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01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:51,920
would have already come out by the time

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01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,080
this episode comes out but there will be

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01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:56,640
an episode about further uh african

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01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:59,120
cases that i just recently stumbled upon

2055
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:01,360
that is like oh hey that's cool oh there

2056
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:04,960
was a ufo wave in south africa in 1972

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01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:07,760
cool let's talk about that so yeah more

2058
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:09,760
cases from africa if you're so

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01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:12,640
interested check out the patreon

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01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:15,600
awesome man and again you're not just a

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01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:18,400
one-trick ufo pony i know you do another

2062
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:20,480
podcast as well um would you mind

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01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:22,320
telling us a little about that before we

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01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:26,320
uh say good night here yep so um uh my

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01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:28,640
other baby is rolling through the realms

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01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:30,239
it is a uh

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01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:32,960
dungeons and dragons podcast if you

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01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,920
enjoy tabletop role-playing games and

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01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,360
you know if you want to hear

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01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:39,920
conversations about how our cleric is

2071
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,320
more like a wizard uh go check that out

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01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:44,719
um i'm also a part of the order of

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01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:47,440
podcasters which uh if you do if you're

2074
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:50,480
really into ufos go check this podcast

2075
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:52,719
out we are we're coming up on our season

2076
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:53,840
finale

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01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:56,640
and uh there's about 20 some odd

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01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:59,280
episodes in the feed right now but uh

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01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:01,520
it's basically kind of like if the

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01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:04,880
x-files folks had regular day jobs what

2081
01:20:10,709 --> 01:20:08,719
would they be like and i play a a george

2082
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:10,719
nori like character that you know

2083
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:12,800
definitely takes it to extremes uh if

2084
01:20:17,350 --> 01:20:15,199
you listen to that first episode i

2085
01:20:19,350 --> 01:20:17,360
definitely talk about you know

2086
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,360
pizza rolls giving your mouth third

2087
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:21,600
degree burns it's it's it's the way it

2088
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:23,199
is you know you got to celebrate those

2089
01:20:27,669 --> 01:20:26,239
moments so uh if that appeals to you and

2090
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:27,679
if uh you know

2091
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:30,400
a scripted show about people trying to

2092
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:32,639
save horrors from coming into our world

2093
01:20:37,830 --> 01:20:35,360
go check out the order podcasters too

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01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:37,840
i love it man i love everything you do

2095
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:40,239
you are a renaissance man through and

2096
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:43,600
through so as usual i have to thank you

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01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,480
for coming on ufo happy hour our fan

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01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:48,800
favorite series with rob christopher

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01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:51,199
singh and as always brother thank you

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01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,360
for coming on summer in the skies today

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i appreciate it man thank you for having

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me on again uh these are always these

2103
01:21:02,070 --> 01:20:59,840
are always great man because it's just

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01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:02,080
you know let's bring all this crazy [\h__\h]

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to the table and let's talk about it